Rabbi Shimon says how the five lights of Binah used to shine on Moses, which was why his face was like the face of the sun. He talks about the five times light was mentioned in the first day of creation and the five fingers of the right hand and the five Sfirot that are the secret of the five times that firmament was mentioned. The Faithful Shepherd talks about visions, saying that they are from the right, and Rabbi Shimon replies with his interpretation of Moses' vision of the burning bush, and of why the bush was not consumed. The two of them talk about visions and prophetic apparitions and dreams. We learn that visions are known through the eye of the mind of the heart.